21 June 2014: I added a comment on the detail on the upper fuselage between the canopy and the dorsal fin here: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2014/06/more-modeling-notes-on-172nd-airfix-4b.html
21 November 2012: I added some detail on the landing gear sponson features here: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-dirty-underside-of-a4d.html
15 September 2012: I forget that you might have gotten here by a web search or reference link and so might not have scrolled through the blog and seen the other Skyhawk stuff:
Nose Shape: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/11/airfix-172-a4d-2-overall-size-and-shape.html
A4D-1 Rudder http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/08/a4d-1-rudder-development.html
Fuel Tanks http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/07/douglas-low-drag-external-fuel-tanks.html
1/48th Cockpit http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/09/fitting-in.html
7 August 2012: One point that I might not have made clear is that the external configuration of the J65-powered Skyhawks changed over time as product improvements were incorporated at overhaul. Airframe change dates aren't much help because it might take a few years before an airplane went into overhaul after a modification was approved. The A4D-1 in the New England Air Museum is an example.
Note that it still has the fuselage vortex generators that were removed from some A4D-1s.
3 August 2012: Thanks to Peter Collins, we now know the difference between the early and late oil vent on the right side of the J65-powered A4Ds.
Note that the round vent is located in the center of an oval panel that matches the one on the early vent.
I also added some information on the early and late wing tip lights.
2 August 2012: Added detail on differences
1 August 2012: I don't know if it's represented on the kit, but the A4D-1 and -2 had a small hole in the nose for avionics cooling:
Note: Because this is a picture of an A4D-1, there is no angle of attack sensor on the fuselage. There was however, a box on the upper right side of the landing gear strut containing lenses and a light to provide angle of attack information to the LSO at night. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for a picture and link.
The Scooter is one of my favorite airplanes so I was particularly pleased when Airfix issued a new kit of it in my scale.
Picture from the Hannants web site
For one of the build posts, see Drewe Manton's web site http://drewemanton.com/models/2012-07-27-a4b-800s/a4b-build-800s/vma324_a4b.html
Airfix based its new Skyhawk kit (it also produced a much simpler and not very accurate A4D-1 kit decades ago) on the A-4B displayed on Intrepid, which is now a floating museum docked on the Hudson at New York City. (See http://myaviation.net/?pid=02024117.) It therefore represents one that has been through rework and modification several times.
For example, here are some differences annotated on a picture published by "Ajay" as part of his build post here: http://z15.invisionfree.com/72nd_Aircraft/index.php?showtopic=2286&st=0
The kit also has the radar altimeter fairing under the left wing tip. This was added during A4D-2N production and retrofitted to some A4D-2s, including the one on the Intrepid. However, it may have to be removed depending on the specific A4D-2 being represented. For this and some other details on the differences between the A4D-2 (A-4B) and A4D-2N (A-4C), see http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2010/07/a4d-skyhawk.html. Note that the A4D-2N (A-4C) had a nine-inch longer nose to accommodate a terrain avoidance radar.
The major omission is the oil vent port on the left side of the fuselage. It was a significant feature in no small part because of the oil streak emanating from it.
This vent was originally rectangular with rounded corners on the A4D-1 and -2 as shown above. At some point, at least on the -2 and possibly in conjunction with the addition of the air scoop over the small rectangular flush intake on the side of the fuselage, it became round. The feature is present on the Skyhawk displayed on Intrepid that Airfix used as a reference but wasn't included on the kit.
Cropped from Peter Roan picture HERE
The missing upper rectangular openings just aft of the fuselage break (these provided access to the bolts that attached the aft fuselage to the mid fuselage) could be represented with paint or a decal for simplicity of construction...
I don't know whether the blade antenna aft of the canopy in the kit and on the Intrepid Skyhawk is representative of a later version or not, but the early antenna was clearly different:
The kit has a representation of a later version of the Douglas ejection seat, the main external difference being the addition of a vertical slot/channel in the headrest for the "head knocker" used to arm the later seat. It had better ejection performance and was introduced with the A4D-2N (A-4C) in early 1960. It was retrofitted to A4D-1s and 2s.
Note that the ejection handle should be housed slightly and stick straight out, not be slightly extended and drooped. For this display, the seat is missing the seat cushion, backpack parachute, seat belt, and shoulder harness as shown in the Escapac seat picture above. The shoulder harness straps (to which the parachute straps were attached) are very short because they were to be connected by the pilot to fittings on the pilot's torso harness, not the seat belt. The early seat can be created from the kit seat by filling in the head-knocker slot (there should still be a depression in the headrest that accommodates the back of the pilot's helmet) and cutting back the sides.
Another picture of the early headrest:
Note: The blade antenna normally mounted behind the canopy was installed under the nose of this aircraft.
The external wing tanks may be undersized and according to the pictures, have a constant cross section where they should be bulged. See http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/07/douglas-low-drag-external-fuel-tanks.html for more on the Skyhawk tanks, sources for accurate tanks, and a link to Douglas external tanks drawings.
There were early and later main landing gear wheel hubs. Some A-4s had the early hubs through at least through 1970. The kit reportedly has the early hubs.
Another feature on the early Skyhawks that changed over time was the wingtip light. On the A4D-1 and at least the early A4D-2s, they were flush and inboard of the tip. The early formation and position lights were the same color. The formation lights were subsequently deleted and the position lights relocated to the edge of the wing tip: the aft light was a conventional filament one with a colored lens when dim lights were desired and the forward one was a colored gas-discharge light illuminated on the Bright setting. The "Fuselage" lights (there was also one on top of the fuselage; it was subsequently replaced by a red anticollision light with another added to the bottom of the left main landing gear fairing) were used for signaling at night.
Note: Early A4D-2s might have the early angle of attack indicator and fork or the early angle of attack indicator and the later fork.
For a description of the early angle of attack indication to the LSO, see http://thanlont.blogspot.com/2012/04/night-carrier-landings-in-beginning.html
I am creating a corrections and accurising thread in an on-line forum for the 1/72 scale Airfix A-4B Skyhawk since noticing how inaccurate the kit actually is, being inferior to the Fujimi A-4Bs even with the known Fujimi faults. This thread has taken a considerable amount of work so far and I've created it to help other forum members in producing an accurate A-4B circa Vietnam 1966.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed in a picture of VA-95 pilots taken on USS Intrepid in 1966 that the flying helmets are numbered 1 - 20 and these numbers are ascribed to the side numbers assigned to the squadron's aircraft.
I can only find records/photographs for VA-95 aircraft coded 500AK - 516AK, and none for A-4Bs coded 517AK - 520AK. I've married up VA-95 Side numbers to Bureau Numbers (serials) and can only prove up to 516AK Bu.No.145030 (which was originally coded 500AK!). Mind you I can't find the serial match up for 514AK either.
My question is, how many aircraft were issued to a line A-4 squadron in 1966 with the intention of combat deployment, and how were they coded?
Any help greatly appreciated,
Regards
Neil Lowe
This helmet-numbering scheme is new to me; it might have had a team-sports connotation. There were almost always more pilots assigned to a squadron than there were seats in airplanes. Pilots only flew airplanes with their name on the canopy by happenstance. Note that CAG would be nominally assigned the 00 airplane in a squadron, so having 20 pilots, each with a side-numbered airplane, means that VA-95 would have had 21 A-4s aboard. I'm pretty sure that the A-4 squadrons on this Intrepid deployment only had 16 A-4s each.
DeleteWhat forum has your thread on the A=4B?
Thank you very much for your reply.
ReplyDeleteThat would explain why I can only find 16 side numbers, from 501AK to 516AK for VA-95's 1966 deployment. The CAG bird on this deployment belonged to a VA-15 A-4B (300AK)(I think). This would also explain why VA-95 changed their A-4B coded 500AK to 516AK, you can only have one x00 coded bird on board!
I thought I'd ask the question in my previous comment to help confirm or disprove the validity of the information I'd researched pertaining to the identities of the squadron's aircraft, especially after seeing the VA-95 Pilot's group photo with caption and a seemingly supporting photograph of Marine Corps A-4Bs from VMA-224 on their Yuma flight line with side numbers 7WK, 8WK, 16WK, 21WK(!), 4WK and 12WK.
I've actually provided links back your Tail Hook Topics A-4 Skyhawk pages in the forum thread for the information of the members as your information is invaluable to the topic in question. I've still a few posts to make to finish the thread's information and if you see anything that I've missed or got wrong please don't hesitate and email me and I'll correct it.
Here's the link to the forum thread; http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=47356
It came about when a moderator created a new thread from a comment I had made.
Regards and thank you,
Neil
Actually, it wasn't unusual for every fighter and attack squadron to have a 00 airplane. See http://www.gonavy.jp/CVW10-AK1966.html for one set of side numbers versus BuNos for the 1966 deployment.
DeleteI'm told that the numbers on the VA-95 helmets corresponded to each pilot's date-of-rank with respect to that of the other pilots in the squadron, with number 20 being the least senior of that group of officers, equivalent to low man on the totem pole.
Your Skyhawk thread is far more detailed and comprehensive than mine. I'm going to provide a link to it.
Thank you for the info on the helmet numbers, I'll quote you in the Pilot's post!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for the kudos too, I'm chuffed to think all the hard work's been worth it.
Regards,
Neil
Still doing the A-4 thread on the Airfix Tribute Forum, still sorting info, very frustrating.
ReplyDeleteI can't find an applicable place to put this modelling question and I know it's for the other Airfix Skyhawk (the 1958 mould) but I need some info so I can complete the model.
The original Airfix kit from 1958 including inaccuracies is supposed to represent an A4D-1 Skyhawk "K-312 BuNo.139969" of VA-34 just before the types first carrier deployment on Saratoga in 1958. My build has been going since 2012 (you can imagine the scratch building) and I need reference photos for this A4D from this time or during the deployment for details such as the pilot's name, correct squadron badge (and placement) and the "stencil" style font used for the BuNo. I've seen all the photos available both published and on the net as well as Emailing the Squadron rep who unfortunately could not help. You book "Scooter" is brilliant, including the VA-34 photos in colour I'd never seen before. Are there more of those photos available? I've used the info on this site along with lots of books and mags I have on the subject to piece together a pretty accurate model so far, but I'm stumped at present, and I need help.
Regards and thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give.
Neil Lowe
Another couple of A4D questions that I can't quite find a place for like the previous one I posted as after a long time I'm finally able to return to my 1/72 A-4 builds. When did the VA-45 A4D-1's receive their Saratoga Air Group markings? Secondly are there any pics of VA-45 A4D-1's carrying the MK.7 store, either a training shape or a "live" store before or after deployment?
ReplyDeleteRegards and thanks for any help you may be able to give.
Neil Lowe