tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post5890999167690489811..comments2024-03-08T16:42:41.614-08:00Comments on Tailhook Topics: Early Phantom IIs ReduxTailspinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-31285916611198934412018-11-12T10:01:55.185-08:002018-11-12T10:01:55.185-08:00Tommy,
You may want to change the annotations on ...Tommy,<br /><br />You may want to change the annotations on the photos that point to the pitot tube: the lower "tube" that was added to the F4H-1 was not a pitot, but was the ram air inlet for the bellows (part of the the stab trim system). The pitot tube was moved to the front of the long nose F-4E, and the bellows tube remained in its original position.Gene Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05557879118389022387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-30545672535229531782013-11-23T11:02:04.852-08:002013-11-23T11:02:04.852-08:00Thank youThank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-51181081111959510372013-11-22T12:35:49.604-08:002013-11-22T12:35:49.604-08:00The wingtips on the first Phantom were painted red...The wingtips on the first Phantom were painted red, with the inside edge curved between the leading edge and the aft outboard corner of the wing tip. Red appears dark in a gray-scale photo and in this instance gives the impression that the wing tip is curved when it is really not.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-78029170548490914542013-11-22T12:08:32.816-08:002013-11-22T12:08:32.816-08:00Am I correct in that "F4H-1 First Flight Top ...Am I correct in that "F4H-1 First Flight Top View" shown above is showing the aircraft with rounded wingtips? Was this only a feature on this first aircraft? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-12339292817567144562013-06-11T15:19:37.878-07:002013-06-11T15:19:37.878-07:00The integral boarding ladder was basically the sam...The integral boarding ladder was basically the same from the first F4H to the last. The removable ladder made it a little easier to go up and down, particularly for a mechanic carrying an avionics box or flight instrument. There was a very small difference in the lower right kick-in door required because the ramp introduced with the 48th F4H extended a bit farther forward (see http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2013/03/f4h-f-4-phantom-index.html).Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-76202596865498741202013-06-11T14:08:24.142-07:002013-06-11T14:08:24.142-07:00On the F4H-1 was there an integral boarding ladder...On the F4H-1 was there an integral boarding ladder like on the other models? From the way things look to me the fuselage appears somewhat shorter than on the production models (I would imagine it is because of the 24" radome) and it doesn't appear that there is room between the sparrow well and panel 6L for the stairs. Every picture I see of the F4H-1 has a removable boarding ladder.<br /><br />Kim SimmelinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-44914748381341580842013-01-29T14:27:30.707-08:002013-01-29T14:27:30.707-08:00Thank you. I knew about the large wedge. It was th...Thank you. I knew about the large wedge. It was the smaller stand-offs that I wanted to know about.<br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-43417866945375858882013-01-29T08:26:37.236-08:002013-01-29T08:26:37.236-08:001. There were two different things between the fus...1. There were two different things between the fuselage and the splitter plate, small horizontal stand-offs and a large wedge that diverted the fuselage boundary layer air above and below the nacelle. You can get some idea of this here: http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Phantom/7319.html and here: http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Phantom/6532.html. Note that the early F4Hs had a thinner splitter plate. The narrow fixed ramp was at a 5º angle versus 10º for the wider production ramp and the variable ramp behind the fixed ramp was 10º (or 9º according to some sources) on the prototype versus 14º for production.<br /><br />2. The dark area immediately aft of the rear canopy is an access panel that was only on the early flush canopy airplanes.<br /><br />The cover over the instrument cases and wiring forward of (or from the pilot's viewpoint, behind) the instrument panel was omitted on some of the flight test airplanes.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-75500045291419184382013-01-29T07:07:16.907-08:002013-01-29T07:07:16.907-08:00Please can you help with the following. I have sta...Please can you help with the following. I have started making a model of the XF4H-1 using your data but as soon as I started some more questions arose.<br />Regarding the top view. <br />1. There appears to be 'something' between the fuselage and the splitter plate. Was it a support of some kind and how far did it extend.<br /><br />2. What is it on the top of the fuselage behind the canopy. It looks like an additional transparency of some kind.<br />Picture here (I hope!)<br />http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj29/John_C_R/F4HNo1FirstFlighttopviewqueries_zpsb732bfae.jpg<br /><br />Regarding the side view<br /><br />Was the instrument panel fairing on the prototype much smaller than that of the F4B<br />http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj29/John_C_R/F4H-1_First_Flightcockpitquery_zpsa623ef11.jpg<br />Regards<br />John Rieley<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-43821419627206546592012-06-02T15:34:44.525-07:002012-06-02T15:34:44.525-07:00I recall Spangenberg’s oral history on the develop...I recall Spangenberg’s oral history on the development of the F-14 and when he was referring to McDonnell’s entry he was calling it the “F-4 Thingee” like he was referring back to the F-4J(FV) which had a high mounted variable sweep wing which wasn’t the low wing 225 or ultimately 225A in the competition. I’ve seen other writers refer to the 225 as another F-4 version and the only fixed wing entry in the competition which actually the North American VFX proposal.<br /> <br />Supposedly the 225 just met the requirements and was cheaper than the Grumman 303 so that was why it was still hanging in. The performance proposal for the 225 is still available and I have to wonder if the 303 proposal is still available to see if there is anything odd like when looking at the F-111B SCWIP.Lyall Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07569413806564237702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-85577226646953188532012-05-18T17:18:59.842-07:002012-05-18T17:18:59.842-07:00According to Spangenberg's oral history:
We pa...According to Spangenberg's oral history:<br />We paid the contractors to submit proposals for the VFX, including Grumman, North American, McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics. The proposals were submitted, we evaluated them, and Grumman was a hands down winner. <br /><br />However, to meet the rules that were being handed down by OSD, it was determined that we should carry two people through until we negotiated complete contracts. McDonnell Douglas was selected to provide the competition for Grumman.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-54258769702493756462012-05-18T16:29:30.657-07:002012-05-18T16:29:30.657-07:00Any info on McDonnell model 225. Their F-14 propos...Any info on McDonnell model 225. Their F-14 proposal , I found an artist rendering on Internet.What a beauty looks like it could fly circles around the Tom Cat. <br /><br />Jeff Joseph. Ex Grumman, McDonnell, Vought Tech RepJeff Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11094695535414833345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-57439329491816955402011-11-10T06:14:50.880-08:002011-11-10T06:14:50.880-08:00All I have, other than photographs that show the h...All I have, other than photographs that show the headrest, is a McDonnell illustration of the seat that I included in the earlier blog entry:<br /><br />http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2009/11/early-phantom-iis.html<br /><br />Note that it lacks the seat cushion and back-pack parachute that would have been in the seat.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-77322984611393800062011-11-10T05:54:29.213-08:002011-11-10T05:54:29.213-08:00Sir it's again me, Graziano from Italy.
Thank ...Sir it's again me, Graziano from Italy.<br />Thank You for to have solved the "mistery" of the fairing.<br />In the my research for info on the F-4H1 I have another question for You.<br />Is possible for you to find detailed images of the ejection seat installed in the firts prototypes? <br />I have seen many photos of the seat but in not one image it was clearly visible in detail.<br />Thank You again!Graziano Marcathttp://modellismo.grazianomarcat.itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-27941124420454759402011-08-16T13:40:38.281-07:002011-08-16T13:40:38.281-07:00Excellent question. I hadn't noticed that chan...Excellent question. I hadn't noticed that change. I've updated this entry to illustrate it. Thanks.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-10876549445945700762011-08-16T05:29:12.894-07:002011-08-16T05:29:12.894-07:00I'm a modeller and I have in true my plans a 1...I'm a modeller and I have in true my plans a 1/48 F-4H1. <br />I need to know if are there images that show how was the exact shape of the modified titanium cone/keel in the first F-4H1, I speak of the zone that go from the tail hook end to the chute door.<br />I have read that in the first F-4H1 there was a more bulged version of the keel but I have never seen a detailed image of that zone. More, I would to know when this detail has been changed.<br />Hope You can help me.<br />Thank You by Graziano from Italy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com