tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post324642794291176271..comments2024-03-08T16:42:41.614-08:00Comments on Tailhook Topics: You Can't Tell the Phantoms Without a Score CardTailspinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-22704378314067995652017-05-09T12:57:46.768-07:002017-05-09T12:57:46.768-07:00Phantom II was its official name, announced with a...Phantom II was its official name, announced with a christening ceremony at St. Louis on 3 July 1959 (more than a year after first flight) that also commemorated the 20th anniversary of McDonnell Aircraft.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-58337172247155593922017-05-09T10:52:28.894-07:002017-05-09T10:52:28.894-07:00I know this is an old article, but it is a very go...I know this is an old article, but it is a very good summary of the variants. I have a question: At what point did the designation 'Phantom II' start being used? Was it an official name or an unofficial one?Jonathan Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476185257203343474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-83695965644914104462013-12-09T08:20:54.097-08:002013-12-09T08:20:54.097-08:00Thanks very much for that link. I've added it ...Thanks very much for that link. I've added it here and also to my post on the Navy's change to the M-B seat in its other fighters with the exception of the Grumman F11F Tiger.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-18719274776636219232013-12-09T07:54:33.295-08:002013-12-09T07:54:33.295-08:00An interesting link (by Kim Simmelink) about early...An interesting link (by Kim Simmelink) about early Phantom ejection seats : http://phantomphacts.blogspot.fr/2013/10/f4h-phantom-ii-ejection-seat-history.htmlbercrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-81660997099565666962013-10-05T11:18:07.919-07:002013-10-05T11:18:07.919-07:00I will have to send you an example. The examples ...I will have to send you an example. The examples I saw were of USN F-4J/Ss in landing configuration. One had a caption saying it was an aux air door, but I don't know where the author got that from. I know the Air Force F-4s never had such a thing, and it seems rather redundant to have two in each engine bay.Kim Simmelinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09125785830128489060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-69111120706794037992013-10-04T20:09:57.188-07:002013-10-04T20:09:57.188-07:00There was a small door back there on both sides th...There was a small door back there on both sides that covered the chaff/flare dispenser. However, pictures with them open are rare and then only on a bombing run. I've never seen one open in landing configuration. Are you sure you're not looking at pictures of the F-4K/M, which had auxiliary air doors on each side of the fuselage that were open when the gear was down?Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-76444205940661455362013-10-04T19:27:50.123-07:002013-10-04T19:27:50.123-07:00Tommy, I have noticed a door open on the top just ...Tommy, I have noticed a door open on the top just aft of the RAT door (both sides) on some F-4J/S models when in landing config. Was this some sort of additional aux air door unique to the F-4J/S? Kim Simmelinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09125785830128489060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-91128366135087777092012-12-10T07:53:12.481-08:002012-12-10T07:53:12.481-08:00Thanks - I'd seen that entry before and incorp...Thanks - I'd seen that entry before and incorporated some of the information in my summary of the early F4Hs that became the F4H-1F. I'm not sure that it was actually a "rocket" seat. The first one might have been a Weber seat in the F-102, introduced in 1958 according to one report, but other sources seem to contradict that. Martin-Baker's published milestones imply that it was first with a live static test of a rocket seat on 1 April 1961, well after the F4H's first flight.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-76628243896623850402012-12-10T05:58:50.509-08:002012-12-10T05:58:50.509-08:00Tommy, another interesting comment here from Frank...Tommy, another interesting comment here from Frank C. Bonansinga (Indio Hills, CA) who writes he flew on the 5th F4H-1F BuNo 143390 9 Nov 1959 at Hanscom Fld Bedford MA.<br />He writes that F4H-1F had "Stanley rocket seat" <br /><br />http://www.aero-web.org/specs/mcdodoug/xf4h-1.htm"bercrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-31982600671019780642012-12-10T04:52:33.537-08:002012-12-10T04:52:33.537-08:00Thanks for calling that to my attention.
At least...Thanks for calling that to my attention.<br /><br />At least one ejection seat historian believes that the original seat in the F4H was from Stanley Aviation. See http://www.ejectionsite.com/emakers.htm<br /><br />I have no reason to believe that he is not correct. I've changed the text above to "McDonnell-furnished" ejection seat to cover both possibilities.Tailspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837863895661437038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5848437078181345610.post-31214762499246437412012-12-10T03:52:05.084-08:002012-12-10T03:52:05.084-08:00About the first ejction seat used in F4H-1 Phantom...About the first ejction seat used in F4H-1 Phantom : some sources tell "McDonnell ejection seat", other tell "Stanley ejection seat" (for instance here : http://books.google.fr/books?id=8jjd-pkdRR0C&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=%22stanley+ejection+seat%22+phantom&source=bl&ots=KuFKlMInmJ&sig=i1Kua53GA1nWWoSVvwCjeI6rx4k&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=yMjFUOiRCK2p0AWgwYHwDg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22stanley%20ejection%20seat%22%20phantom&f=false<br /><br />What is the good one ? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com